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Even though I'm not raiding most days because of my obligations to the theatre department, it still really irks me to hear from people that we still aren't skipping the first few bosses. At this point, there is no reason other than to waste time to continue doing the first six heroic bosses. Asked Imcute to grab a little information for me while I was at rehearsal and this is the breakdown for the loot last night regarding those bosses: 6 MS | 7 Minor Upgrade | 4 OS | 6 D/E Keeping in mind, these are raw statistics and don't take into account whether those that rolled MS were main raiders or fairly new individuals. Regardless, less than 1/3 of the loot isn't going straight to Main Spec, thus isn't really needed or in almost half the case is thrown to OS or D/E'd. The main repeated reason as to why we keep doing these bosses is: "people still need tier." Well..... no..... no actually they really don't. I inspected everyone in raid last night near the end there and this is what I concluded as the gear everyone is sitting at. Helm Token off Kormok: No Helm: Summa. No Helm but has their 4pc: Imcute, Nerita, Yarn. Normal Helm: Buzziba. Everyone else has the heroic helm or greater (i.e. warforged, socket, etc.). Legs Token off Gorefiend: Nothing: Mokou. Normal Pants: Mort, Yarn Everyone else has the heroic legs or greater (i.e. warforged, socket, etc.). I didn't even ask most of these individuals whether or not they even want the tier piece. I know Imcute would be okay with it, but doesn't need it, and would rather skip bosses like me. Of our entire raid, those are the only individuals lacking the heroic tier pieces. I don't mean to be rude or ignore any need they may have, but these are not sufficient enough numbers to support spending an hour and a half to maybe get them their tier. Not to mention this causes us to repeat bosses we've seen dead dozens of time, leading to burnout a lot quicker, leading to wiping on farm content because people are burned out and bored, leading to frustration and anger, leading to more wipes, leading to people leaving or taking breaks for long periods, leading to us having to call raiding until Legion. To be honest, I don't want to call break until Legion just yet. But I do want to skip these six bosses because it is painful for me to even hear word that you guys are killing them. Loot is good, but progression is better, and progression leads to more loot the majority of the raid would actually need. We still have H Manno and H Archi. We've only killed H Xhul once (maybe twice I don't remember us being successful a second time). There is not enough evidence to support wasting time on these bosses anymore. For the love of god, can we please start skipping them.

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