Varibash

i have to aggree with him, things shouldn't be going that badly, one it fucks the guys from the pandas because they save themselves for that raid every week and we haven't got past the fester/rot in a few weeks, and 2, any pugs we do bring, it males our 2 guilds look like shit when we wipe 4 times on marrowgar trash, need will be looked down from here out, i will ensure it personally.

shit someone find him a resto druid, the hots should keep him up tonight

This tank sucks! February 13, 2009 by Keaton We’ve all been there. At some point between your first Ragefire Chasm run and that recent Heroic daily debacle, you’re almost certain to have met that tank. His heart may be in the right place, but that doesn’t get you any closer to that shiny new belt you’ve had your eye on. You relate the situation to your guildies who double over with laughter as you swear off PuG’s for the 4th time this week. There’s always tomorrow right? …but what if you are “that tank”? You’ve been reading all the guides on the class forums explaining your maximum hate rotation. You’ve copied that cookie cutter spec to the T. You’ve equipped yourself will all the best addons to enhance your awareness and have cleverly keybound all those handy macros you’ve heard aboot. Yet none of that seems to change the fact that the holy priest is complaining that he needs to drink after every pull, or that the resto druid says he has all his HoT’s ticking on you, yet he still can’t keep you up. What do you do? First, it’s entirely possible that you’ve just happened across that healer. If this is the case, there really isn’t much you can do. Write it off as another failed PuG and try again tomorrow. But if you find that this rare occurrence seems to be growing more and more common, then the issue may be you after all. Lucky for us, there are a few things we can do to fix this. One of the greatest things aboot tanking is that half the battle is fought before you even zone into the instance. Though you may have a few abilities to ease the blows or stall your downfall until your healers can save you, there is surprisingly little you can actively do to alleviate incoming damage. What you can do is select pieces itemized for the stat that you are lacking, or regem to enhance a certain area of performance. One important thing to realize is that there is no such thing as “one set of gear.” As tanks we find that we desire a great variety of stats. While pure DPS classes are mostly content picking the hat the comes with more spell power, or that bracer with slightly more attack power … often times our upgrades come with at the cost of a trade off. That said, next time you upgrade your ilevel 200 chest to an ilevel 213, don’t be too quick to find that vendor in Dalaranwilling to pay you a few gold to melt it down into scrap metal. While it may be an upgrade overall, chances are that one of the two pieces is more focused on avoidance, while the other is itemized for effective health. But that is a lesson for another day entirely… Before you can start to strengthen your toon and lose the reputation of being that tank, you need to determine what is killing you. Short of the obvious exceptions like forgetting to move out of the shadow fissure, line of sighting your healer or your healer deciding that you’ve been “hogging the heals” all night and its time to let other people have some too (seriously … this happened to me in Mara once), there are three ways for a tank to die. Each is attributed to a very different area of stats; enhancing your toons abilities in one of these areas doesn’t make you any less likely to die from the other two methods. They are as follows: 1) Burst in 2 seconds - A burst is a sudden influx of damage. It is not a normal occurrence but rather a series of events that will stack together infrequently. The most famous example of this is the textbook Onyxia style, breath + cleave combo. This is the single most dangerous threat in any encounter as healers are powerless to save you. The Solution The reason you are dying is because your healers don’t have enough time to react. You need to be able to survive long enough to receive that Holy Light or Greater Heal crit. The only way to combat this problem is to stack more stamina. With enough life, these dangerous bursts won’t be able to kill you instantly. Focus on gemming for more stamina and select pieces which grant higher HP pools. 2) Incoming damage - In between all those dodges and parries, you are going to get hit. Since you cannot rely on avoiding an attack, you need to depend on your mitigation. The more damage you are able to mitigate, less healing per second will be required to keep you alive. If you are receiving too much incoming damage, healers will be overwhelmed. Slowly you will be able to witness your health drop, moving farther from that full position and ever closer to that fatal zero. The Solution Although having more healing output from your healer(s) would solve the problem, this is not an action that you can take personally. Thus the onus is on you to up your mitigation. Mitigation (not to be confused with avoidance) is anything that reduces the amount of damage dealt by a given attack. Armor is the most significant manner in which to do this. Ensure that you are using your correct “stance” (defensive stance, bear form, righteous fury or frost presence) as well as taking full advantage of any relivant mitigation talents such as toughness or thick hide. 3) Healers running out of mana (OOM) - During the course of a fight you are going to be taking a huge amount of damage. The single best way to reduce the damage that a given attack deals, is to not receive. If you receive too many hits, healers will not be able to find a healthy rhythmm and will be forced to burn through their mana reserves. An OOM healer saves no tanks. The Solution Even though you can’t rely on avoidance to save you at that crucial moment, it is the singlemost effective tool in lowering overall damage. Simply put, avoidance is the act of avoiding an attack. This would be miss, parry and dodge (blocked attacks don’t prevent damage, they reduce it; this makes block a proc-based mitigation stat). To ease the stress on your healers, focus on pieces that itemize for more defence, dodge, or parry. Never gem for parry. Instead gem for defence and dodge as these will yield a higher return. It’s hard to learn a new class. It’s intimidating to enter a group as a different element than you are used to … but everyone starts somewhere. My first toon was a Human warlock because I thought my voidwalker was the coolest thing ever. Yet today I find myself main-tanking for a progression guild. So don’t lose heart when your group falls apart. Don’t take it personally when your healer rants at you for being the worst tank hes ever seen. Figure out what’s killing you, learn how to fix it and resolve to never become that tank. Source: http://feralconfessi...his-tank-sucks/

yes unholy, i will be back by arpril 1st and i shoudl have internet by the end of the first week in april. =)

rebel, got a quick question for you, based apon all the recent changes in the guild roster and the 25 man raid group comp, i wold be willing to switch my main to what ever is needed when i get back in 1 1/2 weeks heres what i have that i am good with Hunter Druid (lvl 50 but i can power level and gear him out in a week) resto/boom/kitty Death Knight (frost dps/unholy dps/ blood dps) i can roll either one Warrior, if tank spots are full i could go fury (i will be getting iaxeyou back when i return) Mage based apon those please let me know soon, that way i can start doing more specific class research while i have free time on ship. thanks buddy and see you soon guys, very soon

i miss you guys..........

what does that bring us too as far as officers go? geedub-tank varibash-tank unholy-healer wilistari-dps rebelogic-dps mastric-dps possibles i would like to nominate prydain-tank ruffpally-healer someothers i think could hold the master rank berms-dps glittershim-dps those are people i think should get promotions, the other officers can speak with wili about it. =P

i say prydain should hold a council seat

Ya, I feel i need to apologize for myself aswell, I took the officer postion even though I was fully aware that my job IRL comes first, i am also aware that since the guild has been created i have been in Iraq, Republic of Georgia, and now Haiti, but these days of me leaving for long periods of time are coming to an end, just to inform you all this will be my last deployment for close to 2-3 years, I will be around more often once I return from Haiti in a few weeks. I fully intend I retaking my officer position back once I return, and i do fully support Rebel's nomination of Prydain for an officer billet. Prydain is a loyal member and a good raider, he goes out of his way to help other guild members whenever someone asks for his assistance. As some of you know, the tank spots for our 25 man raids are occupided atm so I am switching my main to my Mage when I return, but I will also be more then willing to level a enhance shammy if we still need one when I return.

in some cases, yes tirall, you are correct, but we are talking about the basic's and the basics is higher dps = more dmg done, you can't say that someone doing 4500 dps is gonna have a higher dmg done then someone doing 6k+, it just doesn't happen like that. the general point we are trying to make is people overall aren't doing the dmg they SHOULD be able to do with they gear they are equipped with. We are trying to say people that are falling behind on dps need to do some research and figure out how to be better then they currently are.

with the stacking buff the tanks get from festergut there is no reason the tanks shouldnt be able to pull 4k dps, i was pulling 3.5k in our 10 man group and that was with just spamming my threat rotation, when the switch aggro whoever is the ot should jump into bloodpresnce/kitty form/battles stance(put on a 2h weapon), and start dpsing, cause its a huge help if they do that, since there isnt split dmg, and the the boss encounter doesnt have a whole lot of mechanics, its pretty much a straight up burn the fucking boss fight, i qhole heartedly agree people who aren't cutting it need to either sit out of the raid or L2p their class better, a good way to help boost your dps a shit load, people who are "clickers" need to learn to dps and "button smashers". when i mage the switch from clicker to button smashers dps on my mage my average dps jumped up more the 1k per boss fight. i know that people most likely wont be kicked from the raid for being shity dps because most of the other officers are way to nice to do that (rebel,geedub) but if your unwilling to kick people who are slacking, make them do research on their class or they won't get invites to the raids anymore. Well, all i can do from haiti is talk, but when I get back I will be able to do more about it, so until then, peace out.

good catch aaylah, i didnt even see that, it will be fixed, and your still in wili's group dont worry and i dont know why ruff doesnt have a group, maybe we can replace that bayba or whoever that is in wili's group with ruff, i will be back in a few days to make sure this happens,,, wink wink ghost

wili's team has more then 10 people o.O