Rebelogic

Hey guys, I heard there was a Canada contingent coming this year to the Guild Party. I don't know the details, but it would be cool to head to Boston if possible and we can share a ride. Mastric and I have carpooled from Albany to Buffalo for the past 4 years. If there are enough people, we can get a van from Boston to Albany to Buffalo. I am sure that a lot of people might not know me, but I am sure that most of the guild can vouch for me. I am not a rapist or anything. I gave that up when I became a terrorist. Comment on here if you plan to drive to Buffalo along the east coast, maybe we can figure something out. You can post on here or on the facebook group.

My mom is coming back from India after 6 months. I gotta pick her up from the airport in the evening. Probably won't be online at all.

Cool, thanks for letting us know.

I am stealing all of your arrows while you are gone!

A little while back, I also stepped away for a bit due to school. I understand how tough it can be. We wish you all the luck and definitely look forward to hanging out with you in game when you are available. We will obviously keep you in the guild, but probably demote Mantra to "Glitterstim thinks you suck" rank just on principle.

That is just how good mantra is at hiding dead hookers, he drives hundreds of miles just to find some woods to bury them. I found it funny how Mantra gave me one of those books immediately when I gave it to Deft. The three of us think too much alike.

Well, it is Friday and I am hungover from a Business Conference after-party. Perfect time for another Rebel’s Logic Post. I am going to keep this brief...haha, almost had you there. Blackouts, slutty nurse costumes, and some bitch named Sandy, yes this has been a rough raid week. A lot of people were very inconvenienced by the hurricane which was immediately followed by Halloween. People lost power and we had some of the worst RNG luck on Tuesday night. Now, I am not saying we didn’t make some silly mistakes, we did, however, it almost seemed like despite the entire world not wanting us to succeed, we still matched our progression from last week (4/6) in 2 days. It took a while but we were able to fix our recurring mistakes and at the very least have a good time laughing about them. In the week to come, we are preparing for a shift with some of our raiders. We have begun recruiting up again and have several good prospects that we are working on right now. Moot and Chartul are doing a good job coming back as full time raiders. Bigtimz and Serenity are working hard to bolster the healing core. Also, Baneraiser and Brennyth are gearing up to help the 25M. Those guys I mentioned plus more are going to keep our 25M strong as we push through the content. Now, to keep this recruiting trend growing, we need your help. Reach out to friends and other good players to see if they want to join our ranks. We offer not only a good raiding experience but also a chance to blame Rebelogic in real time, as well as a chance to get your ass grabbed by Unholyfaith in real life! At the moment, we are mainly short on ranged DPS (hunters and ele shams we have the fewest of) however, we could definitely use other really good players as well. As for melee, it would be nice to see more leather/mail wearers. Rogues, cats, enhance shams would all be good additions. Progression: Under the circumstances, we did a good job of matching our 4/6 progression from last week. I am confident that due to Sunday’s Darkmoon Faire arrival along with the other gear we have gained this week so far, Sunday will see a new progression boss being downed. We were relatively close on Elegon on Sunday and Zor’Lock didn’t seem too tough if we had more than 5 heals for the 25M. As a lot of you guys know, I am going to india from Thursday 11/8-12/1. 3 weeks without the Rebel, what will we do! Don’t worry, you can still blame me for things while I am gone. I will be giving Yacoub my info so he can try and keep me VP capped so I don’t fall too far behind on gear. I will check in from time to time on the website, but I will probably be busy most of the time with my business logistics. I would like to just give a shout out to everyone who has stuck around with us and helped in your own ways. Whether it has been making flasks, farming herbs, making feasts, making darkmoon decks, dealing with crazy weather, hurrying home after burying that hooker you murdered in the woods (Mantra), I just wanted to say thanks. Lastly, I want to give a shout out to Khelendross’s 10M group, they are doing really good and we are all proud of them, except Deftonia because she is too busy reading steamy robot sex magazines.

Regarding the iron-man timer, yesterday we had about 90% of our raid in the group when we started it. I remember it being around 7:38 when it was started. Most of the remaining 10% of the raid had told us they either would not here, or would be on later than 8. As far as people who got in the group before 8PM and complained about not getting the ironman bonus after being told it went off already, I think it was no one. So, yes, it was an arbitrary decision made by the officers, but it was a founded decision balancing rewarding those who came early a little more for coming on before 8PM and knowing that most of the remaining would be on later than 8PM. Before we make any steadfast rules about the timer start time for the future, we should simply field the question to the rest of the raid to see if they can all at least get online by 7:30 on a normal day. If most of them say yes, the timer will begin at 7:30. Sazda, regarding the "downer" issue, all we ask is that you try to maintain an air of constructive criticism, that is all. If someone states something that is pure opinion but has a positive spin, at the very least people tend to be motivated a little, and tend to work a little harder. Now, if you do that with a negative opinion statement, the opposite results. Now, instead of an opinion statement, if it is a factual statement, the tonality increases or decreases the effect of the message exponentially. At the end of the day, regardless of what I or anyone else thinks about what you say, you have to ask yourself two questions 1) What is the goal of my raid criticisms? and 2) Did I achieve my goals? I assume that the goal is to improve the raid somehow whenever you share your opinions. Knowing that, I don't harp on you much for saying things the way you do, but even you should agree that saying blanket insults doesn't really help anyone. It is simply catharsis and I get that, but please stick to the posts where you include strat suggestions and answer peoples questions to help them out. You are good at that and people respond well to it.

Hey, while talking with you yesterday Sazda, I admitted we officers are human and make mistakes. Well, I guess Snugg was the first to post that. Sazda, thanks for acknowledging our effort to listen and adapt. I also appreciate the help you give to other guildies. I just want to point out that every time the phrase "bottom line" was used in this thread, it got resulted in an additional comment. So, I will be careful not to end with that phrase.

I want to hear more about whispers to fellow raiders that include, "Grats on that piece man!" or "You deserve it!" or "Rebel, stop being dead and accept this rez!" The point is, let's spend more time appreciating when others get loot, rather than worrying about loot for yourself too much. We will all get loot at an overall average price. I always feel good when others get loot, except for Ghost, fuck that guy.

Almost any loot system we implement will even its self out in the long run. Everyone wants the same things: A) To get loot Not to pay too much for loot. If someone spends a lot on one piece of loot, their fellow raiders who need the same type of pieces will get a few more pieces over the next week for a little less DKP knowing that the first raider doesn't have much. The following week, the original raider won't have to spend much on the same upgrades because he knows that the other raiders already have the pieces. On a longer timeline, people will all get loot and basically pay the same amount overall for all their gear drops. The AH works the same kind of way. You can put anything up there for as much as you want, if someone wants to pay a gigantic amount, then all power to him. However, 99% of the time, economics itself forces the prices down depending on the rarity of the item. In this way, gear itself, almost regardless of loot rules will each control their own price in our market. Ultimately, no one should be in fear of A) Not getting loot or Overpaying for loot. With Galleon, Sha, rep gear, crafted gear, Headless horsemen, Darkmoon Faire trinkets, bonus rolls with tokens, etc. Gear outside of raid boss drops early on in the tier, shouldn't be too much of a concern. Let's focus on downing bosses and individually improving on mechanics. At the end of the day, if a piece of gear goes to any good fellow raider, it is a good thing. Except for Mantra, no gear for Mantra! Like Unholy said, we will get the new DKP Rules Draft out to you guys soon. It won't go into effect till next week.

In our 10M, the tanks developed a great strategy of switching between the boss between each add phase. This made it so the tank stacks reset more often and they weren't getting trucked. Also, this made sure that our better geared tank (Hauclir in our case) stayed on the boss more often and our other tank always ended up getting the add making it easier to predict damage etc. For the 6 "walls" we had our raid spread into 2 groups on opposite sides of the room and DPS opposing walls to get em down faster. We did it in such a way that both groups ended the phase in the same spot so adds could be AOE'd by everyone before going back to the boss. Good work Sazda, I think we should have more of these "What we learned on our first time on a boss" posts.

I will be online in about an hour or so. I can talk to you tonight Lyshani. We want to do whatever we can to make sure your group has a successful run. After your roster is all set, we will promote you guys to raider rank (I think I covered most people already). For any new guy you recruit, bring him in for a week or two and if you think he has earned the raider rank, we will act accordingly. Also, we might bump you to a recruiter rank or something so you can invite someone if we are not online, I will talk to Gump about the details of that. Anything else you need, we can talk about it when I am online.

That sucks. Oh well, I guess the goal now turns to seeing how many people are available to do a 25M on Sundays going forward. This should be a slow process and shouldn't include forcing anyone who doesn't want to be there. It requires around 30-35 consistent raiders to maintain the third day. We got a couple people back recently, but they still have to gear and all. Maybe we can do a rotating system where people who have gotten a lot of gear automatically take a day off on Tuesdays which not only gives them a day off, but also gives other raiders a chance to get some loot as well. Again, these are just ideas I am throwing around and nothing is set in stone. Again, it would require 30-35 constant raiders to do this.

I would have made more videos but work got in the way I will get on it.

It has been a long time since I posted one of these. However, I thought it was time to clean out some guild cobwebs with the new expansion and toss some things here. First of all, welcome to the new expansion ATR! It took some time to level/grind heroics/rep factions, but I think our dedicated players are putting in some good effort to help us down some bosses. Speaking of which, on our first night of 25M raiding, we got the damn dogs down to 1%, twice. The following day, we downed that boss and got Feng to around ~32%. Some quick notes on those fights: As always, gear will make things easier, but doesn't fix mistakes. We need to make it a habit to read strats. They will be gone over in brief detail at raid time, but you should have a good grasp of core abilities and what you should be doing in general before raid starts. "Which dog should I be attacking?", "When do I stack/expand for chains?", "Does Tourin really have a tattoo of Rebel's face on his ass?", these are questions you should not be asking in vent during raid; you should know the answers already. Speaking of things that shouldn't be discussed in vent, try to refrain from asking or saying things that are highly individual. Try to build comradery between your fellow "class-mates", so to speak, and whisper them if you have a question like, "Should we be running out and stacking on X when the boss does that?" The highly individual concept also pertains to things like why you were late to raid, or if anyone brought a flask for you because you didn't have time to get one. Basically, a funny comment or two in raid is ok once in a while, but try to keep the vent chatter specific to the raid as a whole. The “impromptu Guild Meeting”: The other day, I called everyone in vent to introduce the officers and to go over some basic information for our raiders. It was an idea that we officers were kicking around that kind of got pushed back to the last minute. The meeting is available for you to listen in its entirety in the forums. Now, I know the meeting wasn’t announced but chances are if we did announce it months in advance, there would be people who couldn’t make it anyway. Again, we would like to stress that if you have any questions or comments about anything guild related, please ask an officer or post on the forums. DKP: The DKP system went somewhat smoothly this week considering that it was our first time with the new system. As we get more used to it, the process will go faster. Here are some notes about our system: In raid, if you ever want to find out how much DKP you have, whisper “?dkp” to the lootmaster. To bid the loot master after an item is linked, just type the number you wish to bid (no need to type “bid”, or “I am bidding”, or “How come Tourin has never mentioned his Rebel tattoo before and by the way here is my bid.”). We are transitioning from a loot council system where the officers scrutinized every piece of gear and who it should go to. The DKP system makes things a lot faster but forces individuals to deal with some tough decisions. A spirit piece might be an upgrade for you, but if your healing buddy also needs it, just toss him a whisper out of courtesy before you bid. Not making this a priority, just saying try to help the raid as a whole. Before leaving a raid, wait till the DKP session ends, you will get a prompt. Raid Prep: Try to cook/enchant/Alchem-atize (Yeah, I said that, deal with it) before raid. We will provide feasts during raid but try to level and bring your own food to raids because the best food is individual food. For all professions, we will try to point out the people who are the ATR go-to masters that are always willing to help. Wili gives out guild enchants, a bunch of people can cook your food, JC’s are everywhere in the guild etc. I will compile a better list, but for now, ask around in guild and it will make things easier. As far as mats are concerned, please donate to the guild bank any mats that will help the raid effort. We will make sure that all donated mats will reach the right people. Grind some reps: The reps worth grinding for raid gear this expansion to start out with are “Golden Lotus”, “Klaxxi”, “and Rebel’s Band of fun-loving malcontents”. The Golden Lotus opens up the Shado-Pan and August Celestials which are also necessary. These reps have been covered in other forum posts so I won’t go into any detail about them. Do them – get gear – help the raid. Raid Groups: Last tier, we had some trouble filling in people for a 3rd raid day in our main 25M group. Sunday saw us having fewer and fewer members. It wasn’t just new people; some of our seasoned vets were getting busy in IRL. With this new expansion, we have seen a resurgence of people, new and returning. We had polled people earlier to see if they wanted to do a third raiding day and we got mixed reviews. Our current plan is to stick with 2 raid days and maybe have a dedicated 10M, go in on a third day and gain some more experience. This is all to benefit the 25M as a whole. The 10M would be completely off DKP and therefore those people wouldn’t earn any extra for it. Now, I know that there might be more than 10 people who would want to go into that 10M, but we would have to keep it conservative to the best 10 available to fill out a strong comp. Keep in mind; this raid group is only in the planning stages and hasn’t been implemented yet. The ultimate goal is to have a consistent amount of people interested in a 3rd day that we can make it a 25M raid. There are a few 25M people who don’t want to go on a 3rd day so if we do, that would mean that a consistent 30-35+ raiders strong must be maintained. At least 75-80% of raiders would have to be there all 3 days as well. Setting that idea aside, let’s talk about some of the new 10M groups we have for people who can’t make the 25M. Bigbubble and Glitterstim are trying to create a late night raiding group, so ask them for more info. For the weekend, we are trying to put together a 10M group for people who work late on weekdays. Rugburn, Aweburn, and a few others have already expressed interest. So all in all, in terms of raid groups, we have 1 established and 2 building, not too bad. Alright, this post is long enough. I will try to be more concise in future Rebel’s Logic Posts, but since it has been a while, I thought I might as well ramble a bit to cover some key bases. If you have any questions/comments, feel free to catch me in game, post on here/in another forum, or ask an officer. My next character to level (solely for herbing and mining mats) is my warrior “Napetostern” aka “Nipple-storm” aka “Nappy-testosterone”, so you can catch me on him from time to time. - Rebelogic

I was taking a look at the melee in the roster listed above. I think at the moment, Ninjagoddess and Sonic are the only ones who are not >/= IL 460.

- A few players are slowly trickling back to the game. Baneraiser (lock) and Brennyth (Healing priest) logged on for the first time yesterday and said they will be leveling and plan to raid. It will take them a week or two, but they were reliable raiders. - I think Rugburn and Aweburn want to raid on the weekends because one of the 25M days don't work for them. - Ghost, we ran like 50 heroics with that Shadopan guy. Ask him if he wants to raid with us. It would be nice to have a second rogue. - Jlogg was a little upset the other day, but I think us talking to him and the guild meeting fixed things. He is a good asset and always provides stuff for everyone in the guild. He will be a good asset for us. - From the roster currently, here are specs we don't have that could be useful: Tree, boomkin, cat, DPS DK.

Haha, cool.

Same here Maurs. Don't worry, we will get there.

This is an outrage!

Take the time to be with your family Enzr, we fully understand.

DPS in general needs to improve on that entire fight. I understand that the mana void was mis-handled a few times but that should not account for such low overall numbers on DPS. On every fight, there are several tricks we can always use as individuals. Perfect placement, focus macros, targeting macros, dot uptimer add-ons, popping cd's at the right times, limiting movement, etc. I mean look at Berms's strat just for ele shams, it is long as hell. Bottom line is, despite having playing this game for a while, we must treat each boss as a unique encounter and we must adjust our individual mechanics accordingly. Do we have the gear/skill/raid strat to kill H-Yor'Sahj? Of course we do. Rotation is easy, adapting our rotation to different fights to max DPS is harder. As far as melee are concerned, our DPS has gotten to the point where we don't have to switch off the boss until the slime is almost at the water as it has been stated above. This allows all our bleeds/dots on the Yor'sahj to stay up until we come back to DPS'ing him. The range can easily cover us on the globule if they use focus/targeting macros to grab it as soon as it spawns. Of course, we will switch for black immediately because it takes the range a little while to get there.

We appreciate the update Maurs, we all thought you just disappeared.

I could bring him in, but I don't think he is really geared enough to get you guys far.