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you're half right. there's more to it obviously. if you want to know just find me on ts or message me on fb. i think the direction of things is getting off topic and there are things i want to say that will dilute the conversation further. i dont have an issue talking about it this just isnt the post to do so.

@Budlyght i figured as much. i was told to sit so now i sit.

idk if thats serious or not @Budlyght but the issues i have currently will be addressed for legion the other thing was i was mostly burnt out of content. and was almost ready until someone said something to me i didnt appreciate

I can feel the light call to me. i can feel it too brothers and sisters the light guides my hand of judgement upon my foes but legit idk what i'm playing. i'm mostly waiting too see what others will pick and for more information to come out on specs and stuff

i remember it..me fucking up and being called on it made me a better player. like i wasnt watching timers and would killing spree into bad, my ui was shit, now i'm observing timers i'm avoiding mechanics i have better macros and i have better general raid awareness. i'm not trying to come out or off like an elitist prick. i'm pointing out where we need improvements for mythic. i'm also not blaming the rest of the raid. i'm trying to be as vague as possible when assigning partial blame. i actually disagree with not min/maxing, or having minimal preparation for new content. anything i replace i look up first i'm maxing my upgrades and doing heroics every day for the valor, always have augmented runes up, food, flasked, i understand the fights and if i don't then i can watch and see what i'm doing wrong and adjust and fix it, sometimes to a point of dps loss. i know what i'm going to do every fight what i do if i'm targeted by x i do y. i know what needs to happen i know what to interrupt and where to stand i know how to do every fight. this has been essentially the same content since june or whenever HFC came out. i'm a bit burnt out, but its the wiping to (for lack of a better word) stupidity thats really doing it. and thats when i say something snide. because we are better then that. and this whole thing i want people to improve i want people to find a balance between having fun and being better. i know there are things i need to improve on too. i'm not denying that, but i still feel there are more pressing issues to attend to. i dont want to sit anyone forever, but i also dont want to be on the same boss forever. i love ATR i love that we have things set up outside of WoW and we have such a community around us. i love we get together a few times a year and hang out drink and party with each other. and i love both our raid team and our raiders. even mort because he makes me laugh at all the things we can make him say. but sometimes tempers flair or someone says or does something. like pika not doing trash gump trying to lay down the law for some reason or even this post. but none of it changes what and who we are as a community as players and as friends. we might not be in a situation any of us are overly fond of, however we still find ourselves here with a choice. to call it or go with what we got. and i'm honestly still on the fence about both sides. the sense of accomplishment is great on progression, but the wipes are often frustrating. thats why i'm taking a break from mythic for a bit, like i said i'll still help people gear up hopefully my absence will not fully stop all of you from proceeding. i dont want to be high and mighty i want to offer food for thought. i never wanted perfection i just wanted improvement. i'm sure you can figure it all out though.

well first of all i know what fatboss is and already know the fights. 2nd of all it'll be like 3 weeks im sure you'll still be on the same boss. 3rd you dont have to take me on progression until i would know the fights or you needed a 20th. all as it should be. i'm taking a break, this content sucks. ill farm gear for people thats not a big deal. hopefully people will understand the fights better. hopefully people will stop taking all of this as a huge personal attack which it is not. hopefully people start seeing a different point of view not instantly disregarded as something said out of malice or spite. i dont have malice or spite towards anyone in the guild in case that wasn't clear. the only person i've actually disliked was the salt lord himself muln. i've just been around long enough to know we will continue to run into problems going down the road we have chosen, and you can stick to that road. thats fine. eventually ATR will get there. deal everyone can be melee and just side step bad things. and if we need ranged we have eye lasers. kansir gets it. get on that monk carry hard mort

this whole thing is just getting out of hand. i'm taking a break from mythic. we can or cant fix things down the line. but for now i'm taking a break i will reexamine the situation at a later point and make a decision to come back or not then. in the mean time i'd like to state that i have the utmost faith in roqwell to do her best to carry everyone else. Mokou i understand what you are saying, i agree with some of your points and disagree with others. and i think thats fine. as i've said previously i do believe that we could probably eventually get to gorefiend. but the fights are only getting harder here on out.

you all read very well. bash you can call me negative all day and all night and ill laugh every time something i said was correct. i don't have an issue with progression. simply put as everyone has acknowledged we dont have a roster for mythic. we cant sit people who continue to fuck up. which is fine if thats the way you want to go about it. i dont its that simple we can carry heroic we can carry normal we can get everyone there moose mounts, we cant do that for mythic. months down the road we will do it fine we will probably get to Gorefiend and unless there's huge nerfs to him we will end up calling things til Legion there. not negative, reasonable expectation. I'm fine putting in effort if we see results. i've been around every extra night for highmaul and blackrock trying to kill the final bosses and if we chose to progress the same way in HFC i would had been there for that too. the effort demands progress. i have no issue with how things are run during heroic or normal or w.e. mythic isnt the same, we can band-aid normal or heroic we can do what snugg always did and just over heal things when people cant perform. thats not currently an option though or we fall too far behind on dps because hey this one shot is still a one shot. here's the important part: We dont have to be what we were in SoO. openly handicapping ourselves to preserve everyones feelings is bullshit. and based on conversations with fatty and most of the raid team. we need more people. we dont have the roster to sit people under performing. until then we cant progress mythic. this post is me freeing up a night to do other things. you can all disagree with me as much as you want idc i know i'm right, and i know you know i'm right too. I'll be around to gear people up so you can all attempt progression. content is burning me out, and these mythic attempts just do it so much faster.

well i actually switched to sub and decided i needed to learn it even though i'm sure i'll hate it. not the point though. the point is Terror in Resonance was a masterpiece (even if every line of english dialogue sounds aweful in anime). but majority of what i'm saying is we need to figure shit out. figure out what the plan is and stick to it. and theres a big difference between relearning a class for mythic and bringing up a problem that has plagued us for ages. if some have a lower skill cap then they shouldnt be in mythic. you're acting like i'm the only one who has an issue with what is going on. but i can sit there and talk to quite a few of us who feel the same as i do. this line here is just completely incorrect. and it keeps coming back to the same thing. the thing that every raider who's done mythic has told everyone. not just in our guild but everywhere, one very simple YOU CAN'T CARRY MYTHIC. If we want to hold hands thats fine but it needs to be done on heroic. we need to do mechanics in mythic we can't out gear it... (well we could but people dont grind valor) the major difference between me and them is i do mechanics, i'm not an active hindrance, and most importantly i know the fucking fights. the same fights weve been doing since June? can you really justify people not understanding them still? watch a fatboss video understand the fight if you dont already. thats not an unreasonable thing to expect from a raider.

that is news to me.. but i still think theres value to it

maybe instead of mythic we should break down into smaller groups and get people valor. and think of my leave more as taking a break then calling it till legion. i think most of us are on the same page. and that page keeps reading we are not ready for mythic. we need more people we need more attention and we need that +10 ilvl upgrade. its not us becoming hard core its us spending our limited time more intelligently. we could get repeatedly face fucked by a boss all night or we could do something more productive. even smashing through LFR or something. i understand me not wanting to do "progression" is part of the issue but i feel we have too many issues moving forward we all have them addressed here, however these arnt things that we can really change currently. and i've said before repeatedly I will be around Tusedays to help gear people. and see how things go later on. Stat food might not be a big help but it still is something we can do to improve same with using runes. and if we are going to be forced into carrying people in mythic then we need to do everything we can to improve our performances. that logic honestly seems questionable at this stage. we should focus on improvements then new content imo.

i think you've misinterpreted what she said about this. I think she's saying that she's ready to go and has the dedication for it vs just showing up and having things provided. not that providing such accommodations is a bad thing. I also don t think anyone really cares about EP at this point i know i don't but that might also be because my only competition for loot is really Kansir and i need a weapon he has 2 of now. I also disagree with holding back loot because then things just become loot council and that just creates problems. sitting people is really the only option (again not instantly but after enough times messing up) which requires a bigger roster (which is why i continue to be willing to gift people gear). as for Iskar our raiders fuck up as much as our recruits. there is actually a huge correlation between me not getting the ball and us dying because the fel warden. which sounds arrogant but feels accurate.

That's not exactly correct but it was part of it. The bigger part is explaining myself in my decision. I felt I owed and explanation. I also don't feel like I'm really alone in my thoughts on this matter. There is no simple solution to it. Essentially if we were to progress we would need more people to exchange with people who are not performing up to par. who are distracted. The easiest solution would probably be to have a merger. But that is somewhat unfair to both parties. Its hard to find a balance between fun and progression. I'm not saying be super hard core. I'm saying people should do what the can do be better, and if unfortunately people continue to not understand fights, after a fair amount of time we sit them. At least until the rest of us are in a condition to carry them or they improve on there own. I don't think that's unfair. I also think we have different opinions on what's drama but that's not really relevant

I don't want an apology, you're allowed to state your opinion as am I. I hadn't taken the time to explain my thoughts, raid clearly isn't the time to do that so I took the time here. Its hard to give solutions to the problems we all know are at hand without having to tip toe through pissing people off. If you want some blink, blink blazing speed, greater invisibility, and ice block seems like a good start. Lock portals displacer beast priest feathers and savage roar seem like other solutions, or dodge mechanics/sit people who cant. We don't have the roster for that. Put really simply we don't have room to replace those who hold us back. I was keeping notes Wednesday there were 5 people who messed up fairly consistently. I'm not saying go in and be perfect I'm saying we need to do mechanics. This issue has never really been addressed. It has a band-aid on it that consists of out dps the fight or over heal, neither of which are currently an option. If we really want to progress into mythic we need people to be on there A game. Doing everything they can to progress.. when we were going into heroic Archi I went and made 125 food for everyone because I thought it was going to help us progress then I filled the gbank with it, people still aren't using it. We need to change the mentality of it all if we want to get as far as we can. I think were not currently ready to do that. We should have a roster of 25 people minimum. I know we got Hatty and Bud back and that's a great start, even got a new druid. However that puts us at just 20. I understand we need to gear people out and I'm fine doing that, I'll help do that. I just don't believe we are ready for mythic and I don't think its worth the frustrations right now. This content is getting old and boring, even if it splashes a new mechanic in. Its burning out. If it wasn't for other people needing help to gear up, and those timewalking mounts I would had made this post a long while ago.. all be it under different circumstances. With that said I enjoy raiding with everyone 90% of the time, we are a good group of people to have around. I would call most of you my friends even you bash. Even if we don't see eye to eye on all things. idk maybe its my sense of humour, part of what I say in raid is mostly joking but there is some truth to it. there's room for improvement. In all honesty I think we as a whole can do a lot and progress a lot but we need to get to the point we aren't carrying people. The archi kill still impressed me. I really do think we could at some point get to mythic Gorefeind, but that again requires A game. Max food, runes, and Valor grinds. I understand that people are busy, and it really sucks raiding doesn't get you Valor, but we need every bit we can get. It's a commitment people need to make, but that takes away from us being a casual guild. We could do great things, we are a great guild but we need to not be held back.

I'm going to free up some time for me to do other stuff on Wednesday's. part of it is Jellos Shot is shit at scheduling things or intentionally does things on raid nights to spite me. part of it is my "negative" attitude during the nights where we fail simple mechanics and expect to take the same attitude into mythic with minimal accountability for it. with all do respect I think we may need to re-evaluate the sate of things. as unfortunate as is it we can't be a "casual guild" and expect to do mythic to any real point before raid is called all together. that isnt me saying we need to be super hard core, just need to find a good way to progress at a good reasonable paste with what we have, but we cant progress being held back by a quarter of our raid team who dont understand the significance of doing mechanics, or understanding the same fights we've been doing for far too long. it was said multiple times we're really far ahead on dps, but were wiping because of mechanics. currently i dont think its worth the time and effort and most importantly frustration to do mythic with the state we're currently in. I'm going to direct this next part to bash so read if you want. maybe some of the things i say are uncalled for, you think it comes from a point different then it does. its more negative reinforcement then anything else. honestly i think we can do great things. we have done great things and i have set myself to certain expectations and if they arnt met then its frustrating. we all felt that frustration. i honestly believe that mythic fel reaver should have taken 7 attempts. 2 to learn that barrage hurts like a truck 2 to learn air phase and that p2 is the same as p1 and the kill and a 2 attempt buffer. i always start with a high expectation for the things we can do. and its disappointing when we wipe to trash mechanics in heroic and think mythic is an option. so yes maybe i'm a little snide at times, but mostly because i know we could had done better. to the rest of you. i will still be around to get people geared after scouts on Tuesdays. I wish all of you the best in mythic. i'll reconsider my stance of things in a few weeks, probably after the Holidays, but i need a break. i love you all, though some more then others. i do in fact enjoy raiding with most of you even when i die to attrition or we wipe because of dumb things. tldr: i'm out of mythic for a few weeks reconsidering after holidays.

it died.. it died after like a week

that was a read and a half... also unrelated to the wall hurry back we need you so we not suck. break a leg on the performances. other encouraging statements. i was going to write something but then i read this and was actually impressed by some drive and determination. in which regard i would like to offer good luck figure everything out in the career paths you may or may not follow. unless its all theater related in which case break a leg (or whatever the correct statement is supposed to be).

i hope she gets better soon.. if you need a friend you know where to find me

jello shot hates that i raid and scheduled things i cant miss around me missing raid cause he's a scumfuck bastard try not to wipe without me

jello shot hates that i raid and scheduled things i cant miss around me missing raid cause he's a scumfuck bastard try not to wipe without me

jello shot is a shitter and doesnt know how to make plans and i might be being dragged out tomorrow but i might not so blame him if im not here tomorrow.. try not to wipe too much without me

the scale on the mythic dungeons is a 40 point gap which is weird. i want that moose though. dragon mount is also badass. no word on if we get valor from real raiding or not. seems like a grind for the sake of grind i guess. content is good though

im just going to ask you to bring me something cool from Akihabara

thats fine i knew that already

im down for things because reasons.. also we should do it and get the mounts before roqwell is done so we can laugh at her as she rides Mimiron's head. as for days i think people are doing CMs on Mondays so you should keep that in mind also @Priestchick stop playing with death and destruction i tried it it was aweful it took forever to do nothing.